Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. Erm are you sure about that? Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. Apple Green. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. Something timeless. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. You are using an out of date browser. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. Goodbye. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). If you run across land borders you're going to get it. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. Home Forums Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? They are an intercity operator. The attachments illustrate this. JavaScript is disabled. You are using an out of date browser. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? If it was, that format would not be used by: If you need any proof, they've also just done the same with 'Great British Nuclear'. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. 19th September, 2019. But Beatties second charge is more interesting. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. I suppose they are quite bland. I'm inclined to disagree. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. All Regions. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. Still makes me cringe everytime I see/read 'Great' in front of anything British since this mob got in. A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. It does because it's public perception. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. Which does what it says on the tin. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. Job done. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. It may not display this or other websites correctly. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. 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On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. 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