Jonathan Vigliotti: And that phone call never comes. Flores claimed he walked Smart to her dorm at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo on May 25, 1996 after a night of binge drinking. But the investigation is ongoing. Still to this day I am afraid to go to the bathroom by myself in public places, she said, admitting she still asks her husband every time to stand sentry at the door when she has to go. They were giggling as they were dragging me, the now 39-year-old woman told The Daily Beast. Flores told campus police that he never talked to Smart at the house party, but multiple witnesses who were at the party saw the two talking together next to a tiki bar inside the house. But Paul Flores remained behind bars help without bail. Margarita Campos: She was absolutely sober when I left her. Ermelinda Macarthur currently lives in Kenmore, WA; in the past Ermelinda has also lived in Long Beach CA, Arroyo Grande CA and Bothell WA. Margarita Campos: To this day, like, I was like, why why did I just let her go by herself? He promised the Smarts that solving Kristin's case would be a priority. During one interrogation with campus police on May 28, 1996, Flores story changed about what happened after Anderson left. Jonathan Vigliotti: Is this a case that takes a miracle to solve? ), A sheriff offices spokesman said his agency couldnt say if investigators working Smarts cold case had been made aware or not of the new alleged victims, citing refusal to comment on an open and active investigation.. Ruben Flores, 80, has been booked on an accessory charge and is being held on $250,000 bail. Jonathan Vigliotti: How did you know she hadn't been back? Denise Pearce: Kristin hasn't come home And we're not sure where she is We don't know anything. He claimed he didnt even know her name, Peuvrelle said. An earring that appeared to match the necklace Kristin is wearing on the billboard. That mother, Mary Lassiter, described it to Chris Lambert. Just five months before Kristin disappeared, San Luis Obispo Police received a call from a student living off campus. It sounded like a digital watch alarm, but Lassiter couldn't find a watch anywhere outside. Chris Lambert: Paul keeps stopping along the way and letting Cheryl Anderson know, you can go on ahead. Multiple attempts to reach Flores and his parents to comment on the new accusations were unsuccessful. Deputies seized a mattress cover from the bed with a blood stain. Greg Fisher and Michelle Fanucci are the development producers. Paul Flores was lying through his teeth to law enforcement, Peuvrelle told the jury. He wouldn't answer a single thing. But one of those friends told police Flores already had the black eye when he arrived. James Murphy: The question for decades was "Well, where did the body go?". In the meantime, Paul Flores moved to Southern California, where he bounced from job to job. One of them was Paul Flores, who, to this day, Kristin's family believes abducted and likely killed her. People are watching Ruben Flores and Susan Flores and Paul Flores. JAMES MURPHY: Would you state your full name for the record please. Instead, on Monday, May 27, Denise Pearce says the Smarts got a call from Cal Poly's campus police asking if Kristin was with them. Murphy and Sinclair promised the Smarts the billboard will stay until their daughter is found. She spotted an ad for a rental that a woman named Susan Flores had put in. Just very involved with their children. In April 2021, investigators charged Paul Flores, left, with Kristin Smart's murder, and his then-80-year-old father Ruben, as an accessory after the fact. I called my mom. LOS ANGELESShe remembers being dragged down Elm Street as she vomited, propped up by a young man and his pal who snickered and cursed her. Chris Lambert was just 8 years old when Kristin Smart vanished on her way home from a college party in San Luis Obispo, California. In April 2021, investigators finally put the pieces of the puzzle together and decided they had enough to charge the then-44-year-old Paul Flores with Kristin's murder, and his then-80-year-old father with being an accessory after the fact. But 22 years later, when he couldn't find any recent stories about the case, he decided to do something. Later, he told detectives that Smart was walking just fine and returned to her dorm while he returned to his dorm. Flores said he suffered the black eye during a basketball game he played with friends in Arroyo Grande on Monday. Jonathan Vigliotti: There was a lot of evidence that could have been gathered, that wasn't. 2020 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. James Murphy: Well, the location where all this activity occurred is where they found the biological material. A now-retired FBI agent believes those remains were once buried at the home of Floress mother. It is also what the Smarts have been waiting for for more than a quarter of a century. In October 2022, Paul. Thats how we metI was walking and he pulled over and said to me Hey, Ill take you to school, she remembered Flores asking her. She left them only after he promised to take Kristin back to her dorm. Chris Lambert: They're hopeful, but they've also been let down so many times before. Now several women say they were victims before and after her, too. In high school he was known as a loner. The backyard was all concrete except for a couple of areas where planter boxes had been created by cutting out the concrete and filling them with soil. He was staring at my face looking at me and he was enjoying himself.. But Murphy says there were other incidents that should have raised alarm bells about him with law enforcement from the very beginning. I would hear many of my friends tell me Oh he grabbed my butt but I never believed them, Laura said. "48 Hours" agreed. She told Lambert that after several months, the beeping stopped. He gets his arm around her torso and her arm around his neck, and he's helping her walk. I don't think she went back to her dorm at all. The Arroyo Grande cops, Jane said, favored Floress story that she willingly drank and had sex that night. They were meant for Susan Flores asking her to cooperate with police and have her son come forward. What happened in the privacy of his room that night? Peuvrelle asked the jury. It is every parent's worst nightmare. In a civil lawsuit, the Smarts' attorney claims that Kristin's remains were buried at one time on Paul Flores' father's property. And so, she pulled me into this sort of like, "oh come on, let's socialize. A judge on March 30 ruled that the trial would be moved out of San Luis . She was looking forward to hearing from Kristin that Sunday. There was no change in the soil consistent with that.. Chris Lambert's podcast caught the attention of millions of listeners and sparked new interest in the decades-old unsolved case of Kristin Smart. Ann-Marie Christian: became friends with Kristin in elementary school. The sheriff's office still wasn't convinced they had enough evidence against Flores. The next thing I know is the cops telling me We cant do anything because [Paul] and his friend are saying she was drunk and it was consensual., But Jane said she fought to get them to reconsider. He has not been charged in those incidents. PODCAST EPISODE 2 | WOMAN #2: You wouldn't want to be alone in a room with him. Stop! and then it became Stop!!!!!. Denise Pearce: She was becoming more and more alarmed, you know? He's going to find her body, which is awful for a parent. James Murphy: They brought in the first dog and they'd had the dog go through the dorms. They believe they can prove Paul Flores is responsible for the disappearance of Kristin Smart. He slammed me and then pushed me up against the inside wall by the toilet, his hands were on my upper arms and he started telling me all these sick things he was going to do to me.. Margarita Campos: But when we got to the house it was pretty dead too, it was really -- it was like a couple of roommates hanging out playing video games And Kristin was, like oh gosh, there has to be something better than this. It might be helpful to the investigation.. Thats when everyone got involved, she said. The dogs handler said one dog went screaming down the hallway, made a U-turn, and stopped right in front of (Flores) dorm room, the prosecutor said. And I was screaming. She saw Paul taking Kristin toward his dorm to the left, the prosecutor said. Back in May 1996, Kristin Smart was finishing her freshman year at California Polytechnic State University better known as Cal Poly. So, they did not immediately get a warrant to search Susan Flores's home. Im good. He has never talked. JAMES MURPHY: What is the name of your father? I did have guilt about that. Margarita soon decided she'd had enough. Jonathan Vigliotti [with Lambert outside of the the dorms]: Paul and Kristin then make their way here. In one of Paul's police interviews he mentioned that he wanted to be let out of the interview because he needed to help clean up concrete at his mom's house So, what was being done in Susan Flores's backyard in the weeks after Kristin went missing? He grabbed me down there and while Im yelling at him my girlfriend threw a piece of gum at his face and he pushes her down., At this point every male at the party joined in to jump Flores, who fled, she said, adding, Boom, he disappeared., That same year, Sarah said, Flores pursued her again at a friends birthday party. Lassiter told Lambert the earring she found matched the necklace Kristin was wearing on one of the "Missing Cal Poly Student" billboards. So, she slowed down and walked with them. "48 Hours" contributor Jonathan Vigliotti takes viewers inside the popular podcast and haunting case in "The Disappearance of Kristin Smart.". The Smarts' younger daughter, Lindsey, described her parents to Vigliotti: "I think they're like carrying boulders on their backs.". Flores is charged with murdering Smart as he attempted to rape her in his dorm room. Kristin did not have a purse, money, her I.D. Jane said she kept this secret for yearseven from her husband. When buying cowboy boots, there are a few aspects to consider, such as how far up they go on your legs and their design. Chris Lambert: At that point I don't think they had ever dealt with a missing person, a possibly murdered person. Back then, Jane remembered Flores pulling up to her on multiple occasions behind the wheel of a green pickup truck. We both were kids at the same school and so I felt comfortable. He threw [my cousin] to the ground and got on top of her and putting his hands down her top even after he got his wallet. I had zero interest in her, according to prosecutors. Paul Flores may have wanted a fresh start in Southern California, but Chris Lambert says, he could not seem to break old habits. When authorities later confronted him with the two stories, Flores admitted lying and offered a new explanation. Includes Address (7) Phone (7) Email (2) See Results. The mother is washing her car in the driveway at one point. Lives in: Arroyo Grande CA. I remember being home watching the news about Kristin Smart and there goes Paul, she recalled. Chris Lambert: A young couple moves into it with their kid. He would be stalking me.. He believes that meant "the batteries went dead and that the object that was beeping hadn't been there very long.". Smarts body has never been found. This is about the facts. As of this date, Paul is single. You just don't talk, and you get away with it. Chris Lambert: It's hard to take too much credit But I was one piece of the puzzle that helped to make this all come together when it did. She told him that shortly after moving in, she was washing her car in the driveway and found an earring next to the left front tire. It has been called Dr. Seuss Day because of this. Acerca; Prensa; Flores attempted to kiss Anderson before she walked away around 2:30 a.m. She refused his advances because she was creeped out, Peuvrelle said. But Lindsey says her sister was happiest when she was traveling. Have a good day, he said. Denise Pearce | Longtime family friend: Things were gonna get better and, you know, and and they did. The charming blue house with the picket fence on East Branch Street seemed perfect. Like so many freshmen, Kristin struggled. But while campus police weren't doing much, Kristin's parents were doing whatever they could to find their daughter. RUBEN FLORES: [long pause] We never asked that question. James Murphy: To see them in custody was a feeling of great joy for me. Get off her.. Flores replies that he was just fibbing. I dont know of any lying Ive done. At least one, since The Daily Beast began reporting, said she has been interviewed by the San Luis Obispo Sheriffs Office. Paul Flores was a constant presence during Sarahs time at Cal Poly, where she transferred in as a sophomore back in 1996, after Smarts disappearance shook the school and the community. One day, Jane was congregating in front of the high school when a male friend approached and warned her about one particular junior. Once Jane was admitted her story seemed to fall on deaf ears. I know I didnt have any pants on and he was in me and I could feel him, she said of the three seconds she managed to wake from the slumber that took hold of her. Join Facebook to connect with Ermelinda Thomas and others you may know. PODCAST EPISODE 3 | MARY LASSITER: It was like a red thing and it was like a smudge-like fingerprinted look on the back, just red, like maroon, like old looking and the smudge that it was like half a fingerprint. JAMES MURPHY: In May of 96 were you a student at Cal Poly? "48 Hours" looks back to their arrests and how the saga began. During a camping trip in Fresno, California, in the early 1990s, Floress female cousins playfully swiped and hid his wallet while walking en route to a liquor store to purchase slush puppies. Five months after Kristin Smart disappeared, Paul Flores was brought before a grand jury but no charges were ever filed. And yes, we believe it's linked to Kristin. / CBS News, (This story previously aired on May 8, 2021. I told her I didn't I didn't want to go. James Murphy: He lied to the police about everything. Its a fib. PODCAST EPISODE 2 | WOMAN #1: I wasn't surprised, but there's also that shock value of kind of "oh my god, I knew it! FBI via AP, File. Two years later Smart would go missing and when suspicion quickly fell on Flores, Jane decided then and there that she may have been one of the lucky ones. Lambert says Kristin could not stand on her own, so fellow student Cheryl Anderson who was also at the party began helping her back to campus. Chris Lambert: So much was lost in those first few days where if that very first phone call was taken seriously answers might have been uncovered the first week. Just days after taking over the investigation, the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office brought several dogs trained to detect human remains, to the Cal Poly dorms. First published on November 28, 2020 / 11:10 PM. After almost 25 years of suspicion, on April 13, 2021, San Luis Obispo County Sheriff Ian Parkinson announced the arrest ofPaul Flores in the disappearance of Kristin Smart. Some even wondered if she might have been drugged. A jury acquitted Ruben Flores of the charge of being an accessory after the fact. She spotted an ad for a rental that a woman named Susan Flores had put in the local newspaper. He promised the Smarts that solving Kristin's case would be a priority. So maybe he had a crush on me. Ruben Flores defense attorney is slated to deliver his opening statements when the two trials resume on Thursday in a Monterey County courtroom. Chris Lambert says, two days after that, when Flores was interviewed by campus police, they asked how he got his black eye as well as scratches on his hands and knees. The fact is, there is a lot of sort of evidence. I say that because you will see, when you actually listen to what comes out, its not what it seems to be, Sanger said. Chris Lambert: As they describe it, Paul Flores just sort of appears out of nowhere. JAMES MURPHY: Your husband have information as to where Kristin Smart's body is located? And Murphy and Sinclair believe they can prove it. "48 Hours" has learned these suspicions center around evidence found during that 2020 search of Paul Flores' home. Despite identifying a prime suspect for her murder, law enforcement did not arrest Flores until 2021. She regretfully denounced them as cruel rumors at the time. I would turn around and he would be right there lurking, the woman, referred to here by a pseudonym, said. Me, my sister, my cousinPaul has no limits, she said, requesting anonymity. In October 2022, Paul Flores, the man long suspected in her disappearance, was found guilty of murder. And six months later, when Flores was deposed by James Murphy for the Smart's civil suit, he kept quiet. Despite Flores sporting a black eye the next day (which he admitted to investigators he lied about) and despite police dogs picking up the scent of human decay in his dorm room, Flores was never charged. Ermelinda Flores, 81. Just two years. She graduated from San Perlita as valedictorian to the class of 1953 to proceed her education at James R . In his complaint, Murphy alleges, along with Ruben, there were two other unnamed individuals. And I was, like, "uh OK, fine.". Susan's house was finally searched in March 1997 nine months after Kristin disappeared but nothing was found. James Murphy: Having a black eye doesn't make you guilty of anything but if the person you were with disappeared from the planet that's physical evidence. Empresa. She was pushing herself out of her comfort zone. But you have to understand, she was a really independent free spirit. When Anderson looked back one last time at Flores and Smart, she saw that he was leading Smart toward his dorm, Santa Lucia Hall, not Muir Hall, the prosecutor told the jury. When approached about Janes rape claim, an Arroyo Grande Police Department administrator said in an email that their search revealed no such records exist; therefore, there are no responsive documents. Before their findings, another administrator told The Daily Beast on the phone that because the matter was a sexual assault case it fell under a non-disclosure category and therefore they wouldnt be providing any specific information about it. And that's what I've been doing for a long, long time, along with a lot of other people. Flores father is now charged with helping cover up the homicide by burying Smarts body in his Arroyo Grande homes backyard. The Arroyo Grande home of Ruben Flores is being searched today for the remains of Kristin Smart. Chris Lambert: He told those friends he just woke up with the black eye. PODCAST EPISODE 4: And he had like a butter knife and he like held it to my neck. And it was only 250 miles from Stockton, California, where she grew up with Lindsey and their brother Matt. D.A. PODCAST | EPISODE 1: At least once a day I asked myself what are you doing? Flores only made one phone call the weekend Smart disappeared, according to prosecutors. In March 2021, the San Luis Obispo County Sheriff's Office served a search warrant at the Arroyo Grande home of Ruben Flores. The woman, whom we'll call Jane, believes she was roofied, raped, and discarded by Paul Flores and his nameless friend when she was a 15-year-old high-school sophomore in 1994. Also known as Melinda E Flores. Often, Sarah would be at one party or another and there was Flores. 1998 - 2023 Nexstar Media Inc. | All Rights Reserved. When Kristin Smart disappeared, Paul Flores's parents Susan and Ruben were separated and living apart. Stan and Denise Smart, Kristins parents, sent The Daily Beast a statement praising the women for coming forward to share their stories and hope it leads to a break in their missing daughters case. Those were kind of unspoken things. Chris Lambert's podcast,"Your Own Backyard," has become a big hit attracting millions of listeners eager to hear every detail surrounding this unsolved case of Kriistin Smart. Any evidence that might have been there was long gone. I blacked out and didnt consent to anything.. We are grateful to these brave women for having the courage to talk about their experiences and we ask anyone who may have information they think could be helpful to contact the San Luis Obispo County Sheriffs Office. The woman, whom well call Jane, believes she was roofied, raped, and discarded by Paul Flores and his nameless friend when she was a 15-year-old high-school sophomore in 1994. But a massive search did not happen until she'd been gone for more than a month. Chris Lambert: So, if you believe Paul's story, he goes into his dorm room here. One of Kristins closest college friends, Steve Fleming, noticed that Paul Flores would linger around Smarts dorm hall even though he didnt live there. And for the first time clues about what may have happened to Kristin Smart. They did an interview with the Cal Poly Mustang Daily and explained that they didn't think there was any evidence that a crime had taken place. 1996 was before the #MeToo movement, Peuvrelle told the jury. In 2011, the Smarts hoped those boulders would become a little lighter when Ian Parkinson became the new sheriff of San Luis Obispo County. Ken Blum is the editor. James Murphy: Paul Flores had a reputation amongst the girls that knew him at Cal Poly as being a creeper that he was always trying to hit on women. Denise Pearce says that was a crushing blow for the Smart family. Paul Flores and his father both pleaded not guilty to all charges at their arraignment. I guess you can call it little white lies, Flores told detectives. That turned out to be college. were in the room exactly where she had left them. He was seeing someone on the side who he called his friend, she said. I was lying down on my back. PODCAST EPISODE 4: At 8 a.m. on June 19th, 2000, a team of sheriff's investigators knocks on the front door of Susan Flores's East Branch Street home. DAN DOW [press conference]: We intend to use evidence of other sexual crimes in this prosecution to prove the facts necessary for the attempted rape in this case. Chris Lambert: It was never marked as evidence apparently. PAUL FLORES: On the advice of my attorney, I refuse to answer that question based on the fifth amendment of the United States Constitution. Through the years, the Smarts have kept pressure on the Flores family. But further investigation of the Flores's two trucks seemed impossible. Ruben lived here with his wife, Susan, and their children, Ermelinda and Paul. In 2002, after getting kicked out of Cal Poly, rejected by the Navy, and flipping burgers, Flores matriculated at LA Harbor Community College. DAN DOW [press conference]: We don't have evidence sufficient to charge anyone else at this time. A hundred percent that was happening. Paul Flores - Cal Poly student and Food Science major, Paul Flores lived on campus in room #128 of Santa Lucia Hall Dormitory. On April 13, 2021, almost 25 years after Kristin Smart went missing, longtime suspect Paul Flores, 44, was arrested at his home in San Pedro, California, and charged with murder. most importantly they wanna find their daughter. Chris Lambert, who worked as a CBS News consultant, pieced together what he learned from people who were there that night. James Murphy: And it says wrongful death and then I put murder. For more than two decades, her family, friends, and supporters searched for answers and for justice. 2020 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. He says they are Ruben's ex-wife Susan and her boyfriend. DAN DOW [press conference]: We have evidence that we do believe there are other people that are not yet identified that have had some kind of a criminal act perpetrated on them by Mr. Flores. And she was growing as an individual. Lindsey Smart Stewart: Right. Lindsey Smart Stewart: I think they're, like, carrying boulders on their back. According to the defense, a forensics expert said if it was a grave, you would find hairs, bones, and a big change in the soil composition. According to a county probation bail report obtained by the San Luis Obispo Tribune, "biological evidence" was found under Ruben's deck. In 1997 when Paul Flores was deposed for the civil suit, the only thing he would confirm on tape was his name. These suspicions center around evidence found during that 2020 search of Paul Flores was deposed by james:. # MeToo movement, Peuvrelle told the jury was happiest when she becoming. 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