Remember, she was pregnant. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. How was she with her phone? As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? This would explain how she didnt fight! Kaye, this sounds plausible. He was all over the house. Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. Just asking a question. I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. I think he may have snapped and killed Bella first. I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. Face? Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. Celeste was found face down in that oil tank. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? 100% agree. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. Ive seen many people die in the hospital where I worked- not everyone poops when they die (and their stomachs were empty)- except the oil in the Angels stomach. So I do see how Chris did this and ended up with no defensive injuries from her. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? Neither of them passed any body fluids. Regarding oil in the stomach, just a thought, but wasnt Bella face up and CeCe face down when removed from the tanks? Not a single drop of blood on the bed sheets, and she winged him apparently with her nails on his neck. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! She should have seen my house when my kids were little. The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. give me a break. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. Chris only saw things with one lense. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. Its definately not most. He continuously maintained throughout the entire interrogation that he would never hurt those kids. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. I was terrified gravity would wreck my boobs. Chris is a monster. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. So that indicates perhaps that she and Bella were murdered around the same time as Shanann Im guessing. in any case, who the hell trusts anything coming from Chris Watts? I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. Also, I read that the kids were very light sleepers. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Blood Alcohol. Do you think he ninja-attacked her the moment she entered the house? 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. The children were accustomed to regularly taking medication; it would have been very simple for CW to simply give them a couple extra pills to swallow while they were relaxing watching TV after their dinner, and once they were sedated, wrap a plastic bag around their heads. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. Meredith Kercher is a famous example. Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. As far as the OCD I dont believe she had it. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. She was not drinking while pregnant! Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? She also wanted to make her marriage work. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. Strangleholds require little physical strength. Was Shanann ever clinically diagnosed with OCD by a physician or a psychiatrist? Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. I found nothing unusual with that part. All these people do is lie. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. He was a mechanic. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. Just like those rare occasions where you laughed so hard you peed in your pants, you will pee and poop in the spontaneous relaxation of your muscles following death. I did. So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. Then I think he went into the girls rooms. Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). Ive considered morphine [since Shanann was a lupus sufferer, and needed strong pain meds], but morphine should have come up in the autopsy. "Chris Watts Just Snapped" "Why wasn't Shan'ann's body dumped into the oil tanks as well?" #Shakedown's Call on the Chris Watts Case: The Bodies were "Processed" A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. Have they watched something? Lack of defensive injuries. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? She was always busy. I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. I did mention that Shanann was still in love with him and wanted a child with, and wanted to work on their marriage right up until the moment of her death. of OCD triggers and symptoms. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? 1. I meant three perfectly formed humans. If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. Death by asphyxiation in each case. Did you live with them? Unfortunately she never got the chance. Shed been drinking?? He was an operator for Anadarko. However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. Thanks! Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. What about rigormortis?. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? But then whats your scenario? No, it doesnt. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. All but her office. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. She wouldnt have gone to bed without her phone. So weird. Same with NK. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. That is what is difficult; without a trial we have no way of knowing all the forensic evidence and what tests the state started to perform or did perform. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. Googled ways to suffocate children? CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. Infuriating! She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. And then it was turned off. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. Even the few days shannan was gone. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. The ground was visible disturbed. Good to have a former forensic detective around. No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. Shanann loved clothes, and also being away for work (product) she may have had a huge heavy as suitcase loaded up, and as much as she wanted it upstairs thought Chris was asleep and being exhausted, preggers etc. Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. I remember reading as part of the Scott Peterson murder investigation that they found traces of fecal matter in the carpet (which had been cleaned) in a downstairs hallway, I think, but I just looked around and couldnt find anything, so I must have mis-remembered. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Kick him? She didnt nick him in the neck, that mark was not from her nails. And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities have released the autopsy reports for Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts, who were murdered by Christopher Watts in August. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. How do THESE people know? Of course we dont know what shes talking about. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. 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