And I was sitting in my office one day and Vonda picked up the phone and gave me a call and kind of told me what was coming down the pike in terms of the Chicago Tribune article that basically lit the fuse on that entire situation at Willow. That to me, is a corruption of the role. It grows over time. Yeah. I I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. So its more than flirty words or suggestions. Ive asked that question many times. Its one of the beauties and the deformities of social media is social media is agile. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. But they spoke. Im so grateful now for that heritage. And Ive been a critic of megachurch multi-site model. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. Yeah, they eventually did. it is. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. And theyre born knowing how to do that. If you go back through Willow Creeks archives, you can see all the, you know, the authors of books who came in and were platformed at Willow Creek. Fellowship, Church family, Community. So I was really struggling with my faith. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Posted by Jonathan Deatherage on Apr 02, 2019. But it just has not really looked like true repentance in so many ways. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. He was like one of these, I think until Scot decided to speak up, it was, Willow had credulity to say, These are people outside our tribe who are criticizing us. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. That nonprofit corporation and its bank accounts, thats not what the biblical church is. There are therapy notes to support her story. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. Theyre involved in their own issue right now. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. I was a member of WCCC for many years. Theres, theres an advocacy piece to lawyering that needs to be there a little bit, but it doesnt need to be pervasive. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Vanilla orchids are actually pollinated by hand in most places. If you want to know what grooming looks like in the context of church, every elder at a church of any size should read this book. How did that all happen? Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. I think youre absolutely right about that. And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. Yeah, right. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. I dont know. Absolutely. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. And theres a lot of people asking, Is that just too great a burden to ever put on one person? How do you respond to that? In the early 2000s, as Stuart and Jill transitioned into minister-at-large roles and spent more time traveling to serve the global church, an additional voice was added in order to bless the supporters ofTelling the Truth. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. Hmm. And my understanding was the elder board set some boundaries for Clinton to be able to come and speak. It manifested at the Human Resources level. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. ) So, Willows pride did not allow them to see any flaws in their leadership, especially their premier leader. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. Those are the good guys. And the people in this story are complex characters. I was blown away. So to some extent, we all have a measure of hypocrisy. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. Bill Hybels and Bill Clinton, you know, developed a friendship over the years that at least what Ive discovered in my research, there was an invitation for Clinton to come and speak at the Global Leadership Summit, and a confrontation with the elder board about that because Clinton was on the heels of an adultery scandal. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Let the Briscoes help you experience Life in all its fullness! I have plenty of authentic friends just not at church. Let me give you some examples. So, thanks for taking the time and you know, anybody whos willing to take a few minutes out of their vacation for a podcast, I just really appreciate it. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. It took me a long time to agree that he had done the things of which he had been accused. Thats a rhetorical question. Likewise. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. What I need most is what I dont have. Theres a lot of church boards that operate that way. And another womans situation, theyre in an elder board meeting, and Bill Hybels, you know, has his hand on a womans leg, and no one else can see. Yes, I would view it far differently today. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? I think that they were scared of what Ill call the Christian Industrial Complex that had risen up around Bill, the economic consequences of speaking out on a topic of high consequence. I want to share that God used Petes sermon on not being isolated (Ecclesiastes) in our sons life. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. I hear you say that and I believe in accountability really strongly. I think they can do it effectively. Bent Tree is a multi site mega church in the Dallas Fort Worth area thats had its own share of crises over the past several years. Like so many of you, I love Pete. The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Jill There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? Julie, you may want to review this pointwasnt a problem? He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Youve youve created a fiction when you organize church, what is a church organization but a legal fiction, right? To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." And this is whats so difficult. I am thrilled to be here. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? I was blown away. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Telling another woman, how she looks in a dress and how it accentuates her body, everything up to an alleged affair, to Pat Baronowski, Bill Hybels longtime assistant, stating in the New York Times said Bill Hybels made her obtain pornography and they watched it together. Lawyers are, by definition, advocates, right? And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. Lets say you have you have six or eight members who are saying, Guys, we need to fire this person. Its biblical. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. The vanilla bean is incredibly hard to harvest. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. Im Julie Roys. Pete served as the senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas for nearly 30 years, and he now ministers to pastors and organizational executives through personalized, professional coaching. I think the larger the platform, the more rigorous the accountability needs to be. And that was how Bill deformed his accountability structure. And that that was something that taught you an awful lot about how elder board should deal with sexual impropriety or sexual abuse within their own walls. It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? Yeah, apparently its not going to happen. And Im like, Ive never seen a spiritual leader ever, ever have that sort of self disclosure in front of the church before he preaches. So appreciate. Its not okay. Its scripturally rooted. And some of it also involved a culture that was willing to cover for wrongdoing. But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. You have your identity rooted in something other than Christ, the centrality of Christ. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. He represented two women involved in the sex abuse scandal involving Bill Hybels. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Its about serving God. Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Like so many of you, I love Pete. This is what manifests. Thats a bad default state. Great question. Everyone I knew from childhoodparents, grandparents, pastors, Sunday School teacherswas upright and honest. Please know you are not alone. By the way, the best thing that was said in the recording is that if character isnt there, none of the regulations will matter, and if character is there, one doesnt need the regulations. It is a collection of people. It grows on the vanilla orchid, and it only grows in really exotic places like Tahiti, and there are some places in Mexico it grows too, but what is unique about the vanilla orchid is when it blooms, its got to be pollinated within one day. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. Absolutely horrible. Yet Mitch isnt just the lawyer whos seen megachurches as an outsider bringing accountability. They wont produce any vanilla beans. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." So he said something about so and sos clothing. Thank you for joining us in seeing to it that no one misses the grace of God. Well, Mitch, this has been read. Im doing well but probably not as well as you because youre on vacation in Florida. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. And he committed sex acts with her. But you lose the guarding mechanism, which I think in todays in todays cultural moment, its probably the most important aspect of eldering. And thats not what this is about. And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. Thank God I have Jesus. And Harvest was the same thing. Is that right? and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. Pete Briscoes father, Stuart Briscoe, who I loved dearly, hes not in good health, I wish he was, I wish he could hear this and Id wish him well. Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. But this certainly raises red flags. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. It is. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. In fact, I know some of them. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. And when I came into the representation, that was a new term to me, Id never heard anything like it. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Is that correct? And so, you know, as a lawyer on the board, youre not absolved from the obligation of complying with the mandates of Scripture. It is simply to feed ourselves. I came out of Wheaton College, as I know a lot of kids do when youre in a Christian environment and maybe see some disillusioning things and I just, it was really a hard spiritual time for me. Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. For that we are forever grateful. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. And I have other thoughts about that and how that all worked out. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. We are egalitarian and sophisticated, and we are Gods chosen church to show how ministry is supposed to be done. David Jankowski. The church said in essence, Tsk, tsk. Although theres been some. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2, https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. Please contact us or click here to learn more about how to enable JavaScript on your browser. Powerful ministry at some points. Hes one of the good guys. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. Well, one thing I did want to cover, and our time is getting to an end, but I know that you have dealt with having a sexual predator within your church. And presented them with the information, he essentially tossed it to the side and said, So what?, No consequences. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. They show up, they sell books. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. It is not a program is not a set of services. Yeah. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. It is what manifests. Yes, I have be disillusioned many times by churches and some leaders. Honestly, without being a part of the Willow family at any time, I saw Bill as the best Christian leader I had encountered, by far. Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. And while youre at it, wed really appreciate it if you help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review and then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. You formed a nonprofit corporation. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. They have to be theyre incredibly convincing. Yet, Scripture and to how to teach it became new and deep and exciting every week as I listened to Pete in the short three years I have been at Bent Tree. I learned that from Bill. With that purpose in mind, they launched theTelling the Truth ministry. And I realized that as we were discussing this, that there might be some people who have heard about what happened at Willow Creek, but somewhat superficially, through the headlines and dont really know beneath the surface. And basically, my understanding is his cavalier attitude was, Well, Ill just pick up and Ill open a new church down the street [if] you dont you dont like me the way I am.. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. I heard an elder once describe his role as a glorified sanitation engineer. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. But I had limited contact with him. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. That goes to the guarding role that Attorney Mitch shared. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. Thats a bad default state. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! And I feel that way with these pastors. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. I appreciate your taking time again away from your vacation to spend time with us. The cover up of his behavior manifested at the elder board level. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. This was something that was very deeply ingrained in their culture. I think it took courage. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. What is it was Chicago? About Stuart and Jill Briscoe This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. I understand that the desire to have elders dealing with what Ill call Echelon or tier level, theological topics: What does the church think about, you know, for example, racial reconciliation? But it was after a period of I dont know the details, and I dont know how much youre at liberty to say them, but its my understanding he went away for a period of time to kind of reflect and assess how he was doing and how he was handling things. Who hasnt given a friend a friendly kiss once in awhile? For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema. I was blown away. Was there any evidence found that he actually had an affair? Julie, it is great to be with you again. Now youre a lawyer. Through Petes teaching on Sundays and through various conversations with other staff members during the week, God shifted my perspective on what it means to live life in Christ one from my own efforts to please God to one of Christs efforts on my behalf to love me deeply, extravagantly, and permanently. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. One of those is that you had your senior pastor resign kind of suddenly. Pete has offered to Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. You feel that they have to have more of a governance more of a hands on role than a lot of them do. and I found these people in those imperfect churches! The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. Also, major problems. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. And we need to apologize. And so when you know from the pulpit, that might be a strength. Thank you so much. But its an analog. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Explain that. I appreciate you so much and look forward to visiting with you again soon. Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. Is nondenominational and has woman pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care what happened to pete briscoe. An attorney for victims far differently today I have plenty of authentic friends just not at.! 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